Clojure isn't an easy language to get, or rather, it is easy to reach for very complex, totally passing up the very simple tools the language gives you. I never thought of Clojure as a language that would catch on to the 90% of shops out there. Red ink flows like a river of blood. I don't know but it seems to me Ruby is dying the same way anything else with 200,000+ questions on Stack Overflow is dying (i.e. And you're right, the peak in alt-languages was closer to five years ago. [55][15] Clojure's reader supports literal syntax for maps, sets and vectors in addition to lists, and these are compiled to the mentioned structures directly. Due to this syntax, the IDEs can "understand" expressions and expressions within expressions. I wonder, does #(* %1) do anything sensible? Doesn't make any sense as Rich makes a big point of having wasted years writing large applications in Java and C++ before discovering Lisp and FP. I use spacemacs. A survey of the Clojure community with 1,060 respondents conducted in 2013[72] found that 47% of respondents used both Clojure and ClojureScript when working with Clojure. Designing a "simple" language is much harder because it requires a very deep understanding of the underlying structure of your runtime environment, the kinds of systems you want to build with the language, and the structure of computer programs in general. [17][18] Like other Lisp dialects, Clojure treats code as data and has a Lisp macro system. Now GigaMos is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. Don't look for such an elaborate explanation, it's just the parentheses that set most JS programmers off. With Clojurescript, Hy and Clojure you can use Clojure syntax in all 3 major layers: front-end, scripting and compiled/back-end. Brave Clojure walks you through a basic Emacs setup for learning Clojure. So it was designed for the 'Advice Talker'. Minus the arity error, 1-argument * is an identity. For you it's a step back. Figwheel is hot reload that never goes down, devcards is revolutionary, and a browser repl for live in editor evaluation... > significantly different from the existing javascript code base you already have. I think that Elixir's (which is really the same story as Ruby's) success is worth looking at. This means that the IDE can 'understand' any part of your code, not just big constructs like functions, methods or classes. Also super easy hot reloading with figwheel. Personally for my hacking pleasure, Haskell, Common Lisp, Chez Scheme (or other Schemes), and Ruby are all more fun for me to use. Martin. It sounds horrific but you are not bound by oath and vow to the framework you love. TL;DR: Once you start programming in Lisp for long enough, you end up loving and embracing the parentheses. You aren't forces to use them but it is idiomatic Scala to be "pure"/non mutating. I think Clojure's mistake is to sell itself as a JVM language. The tooling is the best. The world is dominated by idiots and will always be. For example; newcomers to Clojure think that the contains? There are so many good ideas in Reagent and Re-Frame. Everyone afraid of writing lisp needs to try again using parinfer. However, I could never quite transition to feeling productive making larger projects and found myself using reverting to Scala or JS instead. If you love Lisp & Python try Hy (hylang.org). But I don't think it's broad enough (I realise it doesn't aim to be) to usefully capture enough mindshare that Clojure is a first-class citizen in the numerical computing space. Clojure is different enough that it will probably never be as popular as Java or Python. Another reason Lisp programmers tolerate parentheses hell is that Lisp development has often paralleled that of emacs and emacs-like editors that make manipulating s-expressions extremely intuitive. If I want a Lisp, I'll install Emacs and SBCL - there's not much the JVM has to offer that makes it a must-have. I don't want to go into detail, but I've definitely gotten more SOS calls than I care to count. To the best of my knowledge, there's no GC in WASM. The way we do it now - with numeric-heavy techniques - isn't so much or, at least, isn't that much better than Python/scikit-learn. All the other common criticisms are shared by both CLJ and CLJS, so there's a chance that, eventually, CLJ only has the startup time as a knock against it, and CLJS has no such shortcomings. FWIW, running code through machine-formatting is an idea that squicks. Look at Torch for example. Erlang's a different case because it optimises for responsiveness for small tasks. Well, thank you. Clojars. > Is Ruby supposed to be an example of "not dying" language? The language is the cherry on top. Really, Java and JS are the two biggest language communities in the world, with phenomenal feats of engineering in their runtimes, and a whole host of things to complain about. popular - is clojure dead . Clojurescript's benefits are so much more than the language. How can I define a function? I don't mind Lisps and use Clojure regularly, yet I'd still argue your JS examples are easier to read than the Lisp ones. I love Clojure, am more productive in it than any other language (and I've done a lot in my time, including the other FP languages mentioned in this thread) but I have to concede that most people will just not like it or get it. It has excellent tooling. It's done wonders for my own workflow, and there's almost nothing to learn before you can use it effectively (compare to Paredit which requires you to know quite a few shortcuts before becoming productive). Python FFI is almost free to call into C so end-to-end performance is better than Clojure. Clojure however is not entirely lazy, only the majority of sequence operations like map, reduce, filter or repeatedly are lazy evaluated. Javascript Stockholm syndrome perhaps? For example; newcomers to Clojure think that the contains? And macros are one of the most essential keys to Lisp's power. The system was designed to facilitate experiments with a proposed system called the Advice Taker, whereby a machine could be instructed to handle declarative as well as imperative sentences and could exhibit ``common sense'' in carrying out its instructions. I don't think I'm the only one who did it. In your opinion. It's a 1-argument function, so applying it to 2 arguments would give an error. That kind of software can be characterized as: solving a real-world problem => must use non-elegant models; running all the time => must deal with state and time; interacting with the world => must have effects and be affected ; everything is changing => must change in ways you can’t predict; … Also it has a lot of numerical libraries (numpy, pandas). It actually isn't. You can argue that, without extremely simple syntax, a Lisp language is not possible. The other options assume you don't see significant value in using the same programming idioms across client and server. clojure's killer app, datomic, is closed source, I use Datomic everyday. The few times I have, they make sense. A minimal hello-world example currently compiles to 90 KB in advanced mode. While it might sound silly and reductionist, it is ostensibly the single hurdle I could never overcome when it came to lisp languages. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. It could still be used by other jvm languages, possibly js languages, and wouldn't require betting the farm on it to try it out. [63] For parallel and concurrent programming Clojure provides software transactional memory,[64] a reactive agent system,[1] and channel-based concurrent programming. It just feels arbitrary.) I wrote the program in Clojure and since I wanted to post something about how I use the language, I decided to go with this. Oh and I certainly would never go back to a mutable-by-default language like Ruby. It usually works all right if you can stay a few Ruby versions behind and carefully pick the gems you use, but it'll likely fall apart if you try to collaborate with anyone using Mac or Linux, updating to the latest Ruby and gems and grabbing any gem they feel like. For the JS developers out there, is this something that's of interest? Dim the parens in your editor. Perl is the original linguist's programming language, superseded by Ruby, some would argue, which in turn was superseded by Perl6 with its built-in grammars. Hickey spent about 2½ years working on Clojure before releasing it publicly, much of that time working exclusively on Clojure with no outside funding. I've made a short video series on writing a game with Clojure and ClojureScript. This huge Android market is also inherently at risk for exploitation. As anything, you get used to it. Clojure's design decisions do result in an amazingly productive language. It's a different example of developer happiness. Or does this area just need more work? And that is hard, because blindly adding features will destroy the simpleness and your language degenerates into an "easy" one. The popular crap to get shit done for a paycheck (Java, Javascript, Ruby you name it) is what is in demand. I agree with you, Common Lisp does seem better and ABCL does well with Java interop (as does Clojure). Embed. There is an inherent problem with compiling a dynamic typed language to another dynamic typed language...if your target language doesn't have the same semantics as your source, you end up having to embed a bunch of runtime code into your compiled output, or sacrifice compatibility. I am not that impressed by JVM Clojure (it is bloated, slow and laggy) and frankly there are better choices on the JVM - Ex: Kotlin offers more possibilities. > poor interop to the existing js ecosystem, The interop might be the best out there. Clojure was designed to make a certain kind of software easier to write. Which is, y'know, an awful annoyance for the people who use the language for other things—but boy does it pull people in. Clojure (/ˈkloʊʒər/, like closure)[15][16] is a modern, dynamic, and functional dialect of the Lisp programming language on the Java platform. [37], Rich Hickey developed Clojure because he wanted a modern Lisp for functional programming, symbiotic with the established Java platform, and designed for concurrency. Funnily enough Ruby is doing not too bad - according to contributions [1] it's at stable speed since 2008 (!) For me, there are a number of ideas in Clojure that I think are wonderful. You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict Clojure's future. Иван Сердюк. Clojure is nothing if not practical and ClojureScript is no different. And even if they go fully LGPL now, the perception of closedness tends to stick around. And here I say it, “Java is not dead!” What do you mean Paul? Like other Lisp dialects, Clojure treats code as data and has a Lisp macro system. It's not really clear to me why, but lisps keep trying and keep dying. Parinfer is a huge game changer. As a Lisp dialect, Clojure supports functions as first-class objects, a read–eval–print loop (REPL), and a macro system. Yes. I suppose if it does die out there are other Lisps available despite the claim that Lisp is dead. What's interesting is that for me Clojure was my first lisp. So anyone not using some lispy language is an idiot? You don't need to think about structure (until later), it's a flow - you're looking for right words (functions), you can immediately try them out in the REPL, pretty much like a writer would review usage of a word in a thesaurus or a dictionary. I know for me the combination of RoR and the MacBook Pro caused me to never look back. Common programming mistakes for Clojure developers to avoid (6) What are some common mistakes made by Clojure developers, and how can we avoid them? Wave goodbye to Webpack, Babel, Redux, Gulp, Grunt, Browserify, Brunch, Yeoman and the rest of the usual suspects. Pulsar. Common Lisp does have syntax for vectors, they're written #(1 2 3). I've always felt some sadness that Clojure presented an extremely sensible way of programming in a multicore world, just as distributed and GPU computing began to take over for really heavy workloads. How much experience do you have with ClojureScript and other compiled to JS languages? A port of Clojure to the CLR, part of the Clojure project. I was doing some web design/frontend at that time (2005-2006), and the whole Ruby on Rails movement seemed so different, easy to learn, and yet quite productive. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. Evolving easy languages is also not hard. Maybe that's just me and there are lots of new valuable stuff, but in a way it's hard to top cljs, core.logic, datalog in terms of brain wow. I was - sniff- abducted by a foreign framework - sniff- they made me do this - sniff- they made me learn - sniff - put there knowledge everywhere in my brain. [1] http://www.ryan-williams.net/hacker-news-hiring-trends/2017/... What is becoming less popular is dynamically typed languages or perhaps more correct to say languages who's types are not statically analyzed at compile time. When we started working on Java, Java was the IT thing. Until then I'll keep making my Javascript env look like Clojurescript. I mean, what are the options? People don't have very high expectations about the internal coherency of your langauge, so you have much freedom in evolving your language. Now of course some FP languages have operators to (Haskell, F#) to allow left to right function application and you could of course make macros in Lisp in whole it doesn't really fix the problem entirely. I've been coding in clojure for several years now. you can straight up import es6 jsx javascript into your clojurescript code. CoffeeScript. Is Java Dead? I have done two major (commercial) software projects in Python, with a good amount of code, several months of work, and I've never had ANY kind of problem with the indentation/whitespace. In Lisps and in Python, I usually just have a repl going for days at a time. * an excellent standard library (great functional programming so no need for lodash or other hacks, no issues with things like map(Integer.parse), solid date support, etc) David, you have to put more bugs in ClojureScript - we need way more questions on StackOverflow ASAP! That's the point, Clojure would not die if it were compilable in C / C ++ or had better startup time. Really, people wrote songs about Java. Moreover, the buzziest alt languages now (Elixir, Go, Kotlin) seem to be much closer to existing mainstream languages than the buzzy ones of a couple years ago. Even to the extent that was due to language features being well-suited to the domain, there's still no real reason to expect that suitability to translate to the radically different approaches to AI today. For some potential Clojure users, in addition to learning the language they were interested in, they'd also have to half-learn a language (and its tooling) that they probably weren't interested in. Clojars is a dead easy community repository for open source Clojure libraries. I don't really have anything to say about your other points, but the only comparable compile-to-JS tech in your list to ClojureScript is Scala.js. Java is actually … I've had a very stable build for years now, whereas JS has had grunt, growl, webpack, etc. (the clojurescript is now considered 'legacy'). Everyone can tell your language is easy or not; although there is no single criteria of what is easy, it's still possible to come up with something that many people agree are easy. More than that: I think that combination of TextMate and Rails brought a huge number of web devs from Windows to MacOS as well. Lisp was invented to produce AI. 2. The issue is more that I have to add, and use an immutable library vs it being just baked in to the language. So, what is different now days? I think that’s harsh… but it is a Lisp… and I suspect ultimately doomed. Sometimes I think it's too user friendly though: I thought programminggeek was making a joke. It didn't make me want to do Clojure, but I definitely wanted to fully understand the message. I've always seen it as a niche language with a wonderful community. :), ... and 134,468 gems at a rate of 33 per day (. There will always be room in the market for trendy, abstracted languages like Assembly that provide simple syntax and garbage collection to sort memory management. This greatly reduces both the need and offering of a package manager which usually plays an important role in establishing a ecosystem and community in other languages. 7. Sure, there are lots of people who love or need to use the JVM, but for everyone else it is a downside. In fact, I would say that if ClojureScript's interop with React Native could be made to be much smoother, that would be a real killer app. But the holy grail for me would absolutely need static typing. Certainly not this, but it's a great tune anyway: Is Ruby supposed to be an example of "not dying" language? You don't really need to know Java to write Clojure, though you do need to know things about the JVM and about the particular (Java) types that the JVM's reflection and concurrency primitives are built on. I don't hate emacs, I have however invested a lot more time and work into vim than emacs so that is why I do not use it. The people who use it seem to just like it as a language; and I get that, that's a thing. Embed Embed this gist in your website. * Immutable types built-in for a fast React experience (immutable.js by default) it isn't). Clojure provides easy access to the Java frameworks, with optional type hints and type inference, to ensure that calls to Java can avoid reflection. Clojure like all Lisp is not dead or dying, it's not just for everyone, and that's fine. I had never touched Clojure until a few weeks ago. Or are you joking too? Clojure supports forward references for "variables" which doesn't do any good for static type checking. [19] The current development process is community-driven,[20] overseen by Rich Hickey as its benevolent dictator for life (BDFL). I'm using it on my current project because I'm working alone, and in keeping it small and focused, I have no plan to change that. I have for years thought I'd need a license to develop commercial Qt applications and not evaluated it seriously for that reason, even though by that time it was already LGPL. As a Java->Clojure guy I find better readability of Clojure's let compared to CL's support of transpose an acceptable tradeoff, but the point of being a lisp is that you are not constrained by all decisions of the boss? i see a lot of starts of the proj. This is why many statically typed languages have a two pass compiler. In fact Oracle has done more recently than Sun did in regards to hosting other programming languages on the JVM (see: https://github.com/graalvm/truffleruby). https://medium.com/@jlouis666/breaking-erlang-maps-1-31952b8... https://stuartsierra.com/2008/08/08/clojure-for-the-semantic... http://www.ryan-williams.net/hacker-news-hiring-trends/2017/... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PLE3IjTRb8, https://github.com/ruby/ruby/graphs/contributors, https://github.com/rails/rails/graphs/contributors, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-expression, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6h5dFyyUX0, https://sourceforge.net/p/readable/wiki/Home/. I don't like reading thick O'Reilly books when I start learning new programming languages. It's a very nice balance of trade-offs for helping developers build correct software. Ultimately, the value of a piece of code is decided by the functionality it offers, rather than what language it is written. Lisp was invented by the guy who coined the term AI, not. It was pretty fun to read though. Do the same with clojure. Builds are easy, code is elegant and easy to parse, functional programming combined with immutable data structures is beautiful. Skip to content. If some early design choice turns out to be a bad move, just provide alternatives. And I'm sure there's a route to C if that small performance boost really makes a difference for what you're doing. To recap - actors are lightweight processes that communicate asynchronously by sending messages between each other. I prefer Clojure over them though. And the front end developer tools and libraries in Clojurescript are _the best_ out there. Despite many attempts and great theoretical underpinning Lisp failed to take hold. "Elegant weapons... for a more civilized age.". Heck, even the article linked above from lambdaisland lists tooling as one of the issues clojure suffers with. People complain about the parens in Lisp but what kills me about Lisp in general is not the parens but the fact your brains has to read the code from bottom to top and/or right to left. If Clojure is to survive at all it will be among programming language dilettante dabblers. I'm still left with the question of "why all the parenthesis?". (thanks Google Closure), > For javascript, that crowd of alternatives is so much larger. Your brain is occupied with ideas, you just need to type them down. Python is well suited for ML, just not in technical sense: ML problems are those where people benefit from the assistance of thinking more like the computer does. Lisp syntax, immutable data structures, laziness, all splendid. commented Sep 27 by BayeDev. I suspect one current thing hurting adoption from the JS community is the very heavy JVM based tooling. I have been getting back into machine learning recently and Python dominates. Sounds like I should revisit CLJS based on your comment. You end up manipulating the "tree" of code vs the characters on a line. "I'm an artist, and if you give me a tuba, I'll bring you something out of it” - John Lennon. But then I noticed that this class is not referenced anywhere. Every other language is faded to become a second class citizen. Designing an "easy" language is easy because you can usually resort to human intuitions, yours or somebody's else. The discussion was closed on 27 July 2011 with a consensus to merge.Its contents were merged into Clojure.The original page is now a redirect to this page. So yeah, Clojure's faster, but perception matters. I think it will continue on as a solid niche language for the foreseeable future, but it's highly unlikely that the language will grow by leaps and bounds barring some must-have innovation in the Clojure language and/or ecosystem that gets the tech world to take it more seriously. They rely on you to specify the high-level (scenes) by calling the library APIs; the library does the medium-scale logic of managing the GPU; and then the library calls back to your code (shaders) to get the low-level details of textures and vertices specified to it. [65], Clojure 1.7 introduced reader conditionals by allowing the embedding of Clojure and ClojureScript code in the same namespace. They care about things going out the door fast, quality be damned! Incanter is basically dead, so I don't think Clojure is one of the go-to numerical computing platforms. I always thought the Java tie-in was a double-edged sword. You can see the final “program” with all of the debugging scaffolding, development code and some documentation thrown in here. Here’s Why… by Lindsay Brunner | ... Clojure, JRuby, etc. Datomic should be open-source. in my opinion, this is a key reason, why clojure is not thriving, i can't think of any (problem) domain, where clojure have a framework or library, than is significantly better than most other frameworks or libraries, if you are not number 1 at anything, it is hard to thrive. I started learning it because Spec got me really excited and I want it or something a lot like it right now. And while I do not like object oriented languages its far more natural to English readers such as myself to write and read things from top to bottom and left to write. Yea...really wish Perl6 was more polished now. I don’t have time to go into all the reasons I find Clojure intriguing, but it is worth mentioning that one of the reasons I love it is that it is a functional programming language that is faster than snakes on ice. Getting Clojure: Build Your Functional Skills One Idea at a Time (English Edition) while No Success Try Again If Dead Break - Coding Notebook Journal | 120 pages (6"x9"): Gift for Programming Lovers Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, second edition (MIT Electrical Engineering and Computer Science) Unreal or Real Is it possible to see a dream again if he … How can Clojure be reduced to "a better way to write Java" when you can live quite happily in Clojureland without writing a line of Java or importing a Java library? It feels really nice to program in, it's just that for specific needs - native UI programming, CLI apps, concurrent programming, data processing, web programming - other languages are better in those areas, and are good enough in other areas, that Clojure just doesn't seem compelling. Really, really simple. Push with Leiningen $ lein deploy clojars Push with Boot (using bootlaces) $ boot … Thanks for educating me :-). And so the first ActionScript gig I did was to pay for my shiny new Mac Mini. The following is a list of some popular IDEs and text editors with plug-ins that add support for programming in Clojure:[112], In addition to the tools provided by the community, the official Clojure CLI tools[123] have also become available on GNU/Linux, macOS, and Windows since Clojure 1.9. There are no alternatives that have a comparable platform not completely alien to JS developers. Haven't seen Hy yet, thanks for pointing it out! answered Sep 30 by vlaaad. Most of them are still in heavy development, but other than cutting edginess, they do their things much better than incanter would do it (but I never found Incanter useful for beyond helloworld-ish programs even in its glory days so that's not a particularly high bar). Why would you expected a dialect of Lisp to become popular in the Packer's and Pointy Haired Bosses Paradise (a ready-made ecosystem for sweatshops and coding factories of easily replaceable coding drones)? Similarly Rails [2] looks like healthy, steady project. That's a framework! The language is very simple, and I think that throws a lot of people, especially if they come from languages with more boilerplate baked in. That's exactly what I'm saying. With the Google Closure compiler now running on top of JS, there would seem to be a path for the CLJS(not clj) tooling to become more JS ecosystem friendly. The original proposal [1] for the Advice Taker was made in November 1958. You can't statically check a type you don't know about yet (except the name, you know nothing of data structure). 6. Last active Jan 17, 2021. If not, it seems way over the top. Well, vectors are a workaround for the challenges in creating homeoiconic lists that the JVM understands. Personally I love the immutability anyway, and there's no denying those extra cores are _there_. And you could develop on a Mac (!!!. 5 years ago it was the same applicants as today, only minus Go and Rust. However, one must remember that Clojure is a general purpose language. When … I have to say, it's been long since I searched for Hickey or clojure conf talks. Makes the code way more regular. Why? Meh. As a JS developer using CLJS in my spare time, I've found that once I got my project setup with figwheel and everything, I can pretty much ignore the JVM. Is java dead in 2020? Regarding the second point, why didn't you just define your own let macro? 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